Tuesday, March 8, 2011

Transfer-mania

Longtime Gannon fan John Deluca gave me the heads up on this insightful article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer titled "College athletes turn to transfers in search of playing time." Are they talking about Gannon? Nope. It turns out that leaving a program is trending up everywhere. If you want to read the entire article, click on this link. Here are some interesting excerpts:

* According to the most recent NCAA data, the rate of men's basketball transfers into four-year schools is trending up, even as the transfer rate for all sports at those schools is trending down. From 2003-04 to 2008-09, transfers for all sports at four-year schools decreased, from 7.3 percent to 6.5 percent. During that same time, men's basketball transfers at those schools increased, from 9.4 percent to 10.6 percent.

* Last season, Ohio State had one player transfer out and one in; Kent State lost two and gained one; Cleveland State lost three transfers and replaced them with freshmen. Akron had four transfer out, three transfer in. At Cleveland State, coach Gary Waters had no 2010 scholarships available at the beginning of last recruiting season, yet -- anticipating departures -- he still signed two early recruits, and later a third.

* Ohio University coach John Groce has seen his roster turned upside down by transfers. In 2009-10, Groce led the Bobcats to the 2010 Mid-American Conference Tournament title and the NCAA Tournament bid that went with it. But in his two-plus seasons, his roster has turned over with 13 recruits and/or transfers. He has lost players who were homesick; others who were jettisoned for violating team rules; one who quit to begin a rap music career, and one who quit because he no longer had a passion to play the game. Groce said the player movement mirrors the "instant-gratification society" we live in. "In the past, a player would see the chance to play behind a junior for two years, then start for two years, as an opportunity," Groce said. "Now, if they are not at least playing a lot as freshmen, there are issues."

19 comments:

  1. I don't like the musical stools (ala SRU ha ha) type of teams. I'm a loyalist, the guy who would take the hit pitch if it means the team wins. Don't like to buy a program every game to see who's on YOUR team. Seems to be too much me, me,me in today's youth. Its what can the school do for me rather than what can I do for....
    Just think the transfer rules should be tighter.

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  2. Let's not totally blame the student-athletes for the transfer problems. The article does go on to discuss that coaches have the same "instant-gratification society" issue ... if the coach doesn't think a player will win them games, then, "you are the weakest link, good-bye!" They used Sheick(sp?) who transferred fr. Akron to Cal as an example of a player told he wasn't wanted and should move on.

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  3. I agree with you both, but I think it's more on the players than the coaches. I know this is a whole diff scenario but I think it represents the situation... Look at all the D1 sanctions that have come about recently. Players suspended for "selling" memorabilia, coaches suspended for improper benefit-giving, parents bidding their kids to schools, etc.

    I know that coaches get suspended, but the student is also to blame.. they know it's wrong. If a coach says "I'll buy your books every semester if you come here", yeah he/she is to blame... but so is the player because they know it's wrong! So it's kind of a lose-lose situation. However, I do blame the players more because if they weren't so "me, me" coaches wouldn't have to lower themselves to those levels.

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  4. I hear what is being said but there are a lot of very steady programs out there. Read the Hillsdale story building a program with four year players. I use Findlay as an example sure they have an occasional transfer who is usually a local kid who left and came back. I notice in Jim's article a lot of the turn over is not to go to other schools, burn out or off court problems. I still feel you can build a program using mostly four year players with the occasional transfer to fill a hole. Juco's and D1 players come expecting to start and when they do not it leads to moral problems. I was encouraged with Kalvin Agee and Stephen Battle its just to bad we did not have a couple of freshmen big men red shirting and learning the system for next year. We have two upper classmen, tweeners, to add to all the others. This is just going to have more juniors and seniors sitting on the bench again next year.

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  5. Interesting article...at a 10%+ transfer rate that means Gannon should have lost about 8 kids during Reilly's tenure. I think at last count GU has lost 24. Which is about a 34% rate. I'd be thrilled with a 10% transfer rate at GU.

    Also does anyone know how many scholarship GU gives out? On the radio tidy Jim LeCorchik said that SRU only allots 4 scholarships per year. Jimmy seemed to think that was a low number. I'm interested in this. What about other PSAC schools...?

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  6. Also...if 10.6% is the average, I wonder what the median is?

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  7. Hey, not to change the subject but:
    Congrats to Julie Kleber for PSAC West Division Women’s Basketball First Team and Stephen Battle for PSAC West Division Men’s Basketball Freshman of the Year.

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  8. A friend gave me an interesting tidbit ... Gannon has won 15 for fewer games in four of the last six years.

    How far go you have to go in order to find the next four times GU won 15 or fewer games? You have to go back to 1970-71.

    Slocum era: None
    Dukiet: 1995-96 (10-16)
    Chapman: None
    Fox: None
    Sparling: 1977-78 (15-11)
    Markey: 1973-74 (15-11)
    Markey: 1970-71 (11-14)

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  9. The last I knew was Gannon gave the NCAA II max which is 10 scholarships. This was one of the reasons the PSAC schools did not want GU in because a lot of them do not give the max. I understand from Edinboro with Gannon and Mercyhurst coming into the PSAC it was putting a lot of pressure for the schools to increase their scholerships. If you are paying attention and see this new budget that the governor is proposing it could have a major impact on the PSAC schools' programs. They are being cut drastically and the schools are going to have to find money someware sports always being a target.

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  10. Yeah, Gannon/Hurst could see a huge spike in interest from recruits if the state schools are affected as badly as it sounds they will be. As far as I know, Gannon does give 10 scholarships. For some reason I thought I had heard Hurst was slightly lower at like 8-9, but not sure.

    But this is also the reason Gannon/Hurst are 30k a year and Edinboro is like 6k.

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  11. From discussions on other boards. I beleive that the PSAC schools scholly money can not come from state funds. Stadium improvements yes but schollies have to be raised by gifts, or (ex.Boro's sports auction) and alums etc.

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  12. I'm not saying that's right or wrong because I don't know, but I know that after the Governor gave his speech and pinpointed schools and such, there was much talk by many about the state colleges losing a lot of funding for everything.. including sports.

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  13. Depending on the FAFSA score, Gannon can stretch their scholarship money with a combo of government grants, aids, and GU scholarships(e.g. a high school Valor-Victorian gets a free academic scholarship; salutatorians get less). I would bet that on GU team, that anyone is on a FULL BB scholarship.

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  14. At one point during the late 80's early 90 I believe that the number was 12 - but I guess the max has been lowered:

    http://blog.captainu.com/2009/5/5/ncaa-division-ii-recruiting-and-scholarships-2-minute-crash-course.

    Additionally that money is allocated as a total, so that you can split one 'scholarship' into many parts - say give 5 full and 5 split amongst 10....

    As for the state schools programs are funded through fundraisers and targeted alumni donations for scholarships, and the coaches salaries, uniforms, transportation etc come from state funds...
    As for recruiting budgets etc - that is largely supplemented by the fundraisers and donations.

    From a USA TODAY article(Lock Haven AD Taylor lightning rod for controversy, litigation, July 2010) Which I assume someone fact checked:
    "....where individual programs raise much of their own money because state money cannot be used for athletics scholarships..."

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  15. So much for the Lady Scots. The top-seeded team in the region LOST BY 21 to the #8 seed Shaw.

    Edinboro made their first three-pointer and their last three-pointer. But they missed every other three-pointe attempt in between, all TWENTY-EIGHT of them. You did the math correctly; they shot 2/30 on three-pointers, or 7%. Yech.

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  16. Wow, I did not see the Lady Scots getting OWNED in the 1st round, wow.

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  17. I heard somewhere that Shaw, the team that beat Edinboro, benefitted greatly from the prescence of a very athletic 6'1" Division I transfer from Maryland that was declared eligible in mid-season. They have only lost once since she began playing, so this was no normal #8 seed.

    I would guess that there is quite a difference between playing in the ACC and playing D-II ball. Huge advantage for Shaw.

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  18. Shaw also beat Cal today... so they're def not a fluke.. see how they do on Monday.

    I watched the Boro/Shaw game online and the announcer said that Shaw was highly scrutinized throughout the season for the "roster moves" they made. He didn't get too specific but said that the in his opinion they should've been ranked higher or not at all.

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  19. And Shaw just demolished Johnson C. Smith. Did anyone see the highlights of the game on TV? The 2 girls who led Shaw looked like WNBA players compared to everyone else on the court. Taller, bigger and much, much more talented.

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